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S J LUCAS · by **S J LUCAS** on Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:31 pm

Regarding the bodybuilding shows, what is the cutoff on pro hormone usage. I know the home page says 7 yrs clean but the rules say somthing about 2 yrs prior to membership. Obviously I have not always been in the clean or I would not be inquiring. I have use products in my 20's that I am not proud of, especially now that I am a father and want to set an example for my very athletic son. I am a strong supporter of Natural bodybuilding and I am greatly inspired by the naturals and would like to persue some competition in the industry. However, will the mistake I made in the past keep me from doing somthing good? If I were to take any urine test or blood test the only thing it would find is a little creatine.

Any info or sugggestions would be greatly appreciated.

jarnold · by **jarnold** on Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:53 pm

SJ,
Yes there is a 2 year rule that means you have to have not used a Pro-Hormone for that period before competing with us. We Polygraph everyone and take urine from Open competitors, top 3 winners in Novice and anyone else that we deem needs to submit. This is subjective not random. We are very serious about protecting our natural competitors from those who try to breach our rules.

You fit the profile of exactly our mission. We are trying to keep people from using them as well as providing the opportunity for those that have in past to compete again without the risks involved with using drugs. You are most likely a competitor who loves the sport for the sport that it is. I think guys like you really appreciate what we have created more sometimes than our pure athletes. We are an Oasis for competing without the fear of health risks. Plus athletics IMO is not fun unless you are on a level playing field. It makes it more of a challenge. Non Tested bodybuilding is a all about who has the most money for the drugs. So it makes it tough for even those that use but can't afford GH and stacks of others that are out of reach for most. There is not the disparity with natural bodybuilding because the supplements do not have as big of an effect so the advantage is very narrow. Hence more parity.

Looking forward to you competing with us if you are good to go with the rules. If not and you are a past seasoned veteran just get involved with a local contest by becoming a judging or a helper to keep you close in the interim. I am always open to having as many test judges get qualified as I can get for our contest in April in Liberty ( KC.) Or just spread the word. I will be getting my poster together and always like to send them to people that will help us get them posted in their communities. Would you help with that? Just e-mail me.

S J LUCAS · by **S J LUCAS** on Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:09 pm

Awsome...Yes sir, any help you need in support of the shows I would gladly help.

I will shoot you my email but you have 2, so which one is the best to reach you at.

mrmidwestern · by **mrmidwestern** on Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:11 pm

jarnold wrote:SJ,
Yes there is a 2 year rule that means you have to have not used a Pro-Hormone for that period before competing with us. We Polygraph everyone and take urine from Open competitors, top 3 winners in Novice and anyone else that we deem needs to submit. This is subjective not random. We are very serious about protecting our natural competitors from those who try to breach our rules.

You fit the profile of exactly our mission. We are trying to keep people from using them as well as providing the opportunity for those that have in past to compete again without the risks involved with using drugs. You are most likely a competitor who loves the sport for the sport that it is. I think guys like you really appreciate what we have created more sometimes than our pure athletes. We are an Oasis for competing without the fear of health risks. Plus athletics IMO is not fun unless you are on a level playing field. It makes it more of a challenge. Non Tested bodybuilding is a all about who has the most money for the drugs. So it makes it tough for even those that use but can't afford GH and stacks of others that are out of reach for most. There is not the disparity with natural bodybuilding because the supplements do not have as big of an effect so the advantage is very narrow. Hence more parity.

Looking forward to you competing with us if you are good to go with the rules. If not and you are a past seasoned veteran just get involved with a local contest by becoming a judging or a helper to keep you close in the interim. I am always open to having as many test judges get qualified as I can get for our contest in April in Liberty ( KC.) Or just spread the word. I will be getting my poster together and always like to send them to people that will help us get them posted in their communities. Would you help with that? Just e-mail me.

S J LUCAS · by **S J LUCAS** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:15 pm

mrmidwestern,

were you wanting to add somthing? or.....

mrmidwestern · by **mrmidwestern** on Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:39 pm

Mr. Lucas,
We'd love to have you join the NANBF. There are alot of great people in the organization. Be encouraged with a brand new start! Check out www.NaturalMNBodybuilding.com Feel free to drop me a line with any questions.
Sincerely,
Larry Burt, WNBF Pro
mrmidwestern@aol.com

S J LUCAS · by **S J LUCAS** on Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:39 pm

mrmidwestern wrote:Mr. Lucas,
We'd love to have you join the NANBF. There are alot of great people in the organization. Be encouraged with a brand new start! Check out www.NaturalMNBodybuilding.com Feel free to drop me a line with any questions.
Sincerely,
Larry Burt, WNBF Pro
mrmidwestern@aol.com

Thanks,

I plan to join at some point in the near future. I would like to take a year or so to put some size back on. I have been plagued with injuries the last year and just found out that I don't have to have surgery

so I left the doctors office and drove straight to the gym. I have been itching to get back for a while now.
So how about giving me my first advice on how to lean up as a natural. Obviously diet and the training part I already know, but what about supplements? I understand fat burners are off the list so what do you normally take to step up the metabolism?

mrmidwestern · by **mrmidwestern** on Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:22 pm

I've had good results with the following products for speeding up the metabolism and fat burning:
VPX Redline
SAN T3
SAN Lipidex
Ultimate Nutrition MCT Oil

Larry Burt,WNBF Pro
mrmidwestern@aol.com

S J LUCAS · by **S J LUCAS** on Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:02 pm

mrmidwestern wrote:I've had good results with the following products for speeding up the metabolism and fat burning:
VPX Redline
SAN T3
SAN Lipidex
Ultimate Nutrition MCT Oil

Larry Burt,WNBF Pro
mrmidwestern@aol.com

And all this is safe to take under nanbf supplement list. No hidden products that will flag a urine test. Red line is the energy drink...right? I know they have pills/capsules as well.

mrmidwestern · by **mrmidwestern** on Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:20 pm

3 Redline capsules pre-workout should do the trick.

bfosterjudge · by **bfosterjudge** on Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:37 pm

Well put Mr. Arnold. That is why I love the group of people we have. No judgements, just lots of knowledge!!!

Congrats SJ on your decision to be drug free!!!!

Brian

jarnold · by **jarnold** on Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:23 am

Larry, I may have to look at that stack as I still have a tough time getting the fat off my legs and arse. I got down to only 9mm on the calipers and still not hard enough. On the scale this is 4.5 for a 50 year old but for a young guy like you it is like 3%. It just aint fair!! LOL! I do however still think the best way is to go with the a low carb diet for 2 days and rotate it with one day of low fat. Or more intense of 3 days of low carb and 1 Carb load meal in those 3 days. The low carb diet is said to raise GH and then you throw a day of Insulin from the low fat high carb day. Kinda like the way the IFBB guys manipulate it by taking it from outside sources. You also need to train less and use heavy weights with less reps. You can do more volume for a few months before the show but need allot of rest too for recovery. I am not huge fan of tons of cardio. Do you want to look like a long distance runner or a sprinter? Bodybuilders are sprinters.

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